I went out with a new wing named Leo in Denver. He’s super good at this stuff and it’s a joy to game with him. I made some mistakes that he didn’t really and I feel like I have a lot I can learn from him when it comes to not giving a fuck.
I rolled up to Viewhouse in Denver and Leo was there chilling outside waiting for me. We saw that the line was super long so we decided to check out some of the bars across the street instead. We realized that we needed some money to get inside these places so we walked up to the ATM. Leo started a conversation with two girls at the ATM. One was pretty and the other was kind of ugly and acting racist about the bouncer. I was still feeling sort of in my head at this time and not saying much, but I also felt like it was weird to be around such racist people. That’s a boundary of mine that I don’t want to have to break, I won’t sleep with a racist girl. Leo seemed to be having a blast bullshitting with them, and so it was good that he was getting a warm up at least. I wonder if I could have winged him here and hooked him up with the cuter girl, but I wasn’t attentive and thoughtful enough at this point in the night to actually work that out in the moment. We ended up ejecting and wandering for a second, before we headed back to see if we could get girls to get us into Viewhouse. We could only get in with girls here because there were separate guys and girls lines for some reason.
We walked back across the street and Leo was not giving a single fuck and talking to lots of girls, asking them if they were going into Viewhouse to see if we could hitch a way into there. I was impressed with his balls but thought that the plan was probably not going to work (maybe this was a self fulfilling prophecy?). He started talking to two seated girls by crouching down and speaking with them while they sat and ate. I wasn’t sure if this was the best body language to take, but it seemed like things were pretty on with his girl (it was a two set) so I started talking to the other girl. I learned that she was in a sorority and asked her various things about it after making some jokes. Perhaps I was being too questioning and partially judgmental here, but then again I truly think sororities are pretty dumb and that probably came across. She seemed like she really wanted to leave, so she ended up grabbing the friend and pulling her to the pizza stand to find their other friends. I probably could have played that better if I was more warmed up and more riffing on my own things that I find interesting, that would have been more entertaining.
After this, Leo talked to some girls and convinced them to try and walk us into the girls only line in Viewhouse. We tried and got rejected by the bouncer. Getting in was looking more hopeless. It would be cool to establish better relationships with the bouncers there so that we can avoid that in the future. We decided to check out the gin mill because that had no cover and Leo wasn’t interested in paying one. We walked in and it was looking pretty ratchet. There were two girls seated at a table and Leo walked up opening one of the girls. I went up to the other one and started chatting but it seemed kind of like it was a dying interaction. They were seated and looked sort of hot but flustered and bitchy. We could have probably done a better job of bringing the fun, or maybe we should have been icier. That set ended when Leo started saying bye to the girl he opened and walking off as if she had said no thank you to him or something.
We continued walking around the bar when we saw two other cute girls. I can’t remember how we got into conversation with them but it seemed like they were about to bail on us when Leo told them that I was his boyfriend or something. This was interesting because a lot changed immediately and the girls were hooked and talking to us. I would never try this or use this as a strategy normally because it seems to me like the only reason you would lie like that is because you aren’t truly comfortable with yourself. That being said, it helped me get into a bit of a better mind set and I liked talking to that girl I was with a lot. We had a bunch in common and she was very hot. Saying you’re gay is an interesting strategy to use to get some momentum going to situations where things haven’t quite taken off yet in the night. The girls got pulled away by some guy shortly after this. Leo said that those guys were their boyfriends.
We went outside to see if we could make something happen. I think I opened the next group but I’m not sure. I was talking to a cute girl but she was totally silent and not responding. The only girl responding in this group was not a looker and I wasn’t interested sexually. Leo was talking to some girl behind her for a second but it looked like that died out and he got into the set with quiet girl, gross girl, and I. This was quickly becoming a waste of time for us and I was tired of being in that situation. After a minute or two I realized that this shit was a waste of time and went and pulled on Leo to leave, saying that we should find hotter girls. We rolled out after he got their instagrams or something. I did a good job of realizing that it was time to bounce here.
After this we went back to try to get into Viewhouse a bit more. It wasn’t working out. Leo even started chatting with some girls that tried to get us in via the girls line, but unfortunately the bouncer was not letting us in there. After a few times we realized that this was hopeless and decided to try Neon Baby, a new club. We hiked in there and headed upstairs. I saw a cute set of two girls sitting on the couch and told Leo we should approach them. He said he would support me so I opened the one on the left side. She was a super hot latina girl and I into her. She liked my direct approach and it hooked. Leo’s girl seemed like she liked him also. The logistics seemed okay on my end because she didn’t have anything to do tomorrow. We chatted for 20 minutes or so on either side of these girls. I was using a new technique called honest communication which is where you basically say whatever the truest thought that comes to your mind is with no filter. I really like that I think it helped with attraction a ton. Attraction just felt fluid and easy to get.
I ended up escalating a lot physically with my girl and I felt like I should start testing for compliance. I told her let’s go get a drink but she said that she was already drunk enough and didn’t want to go. I feel like I should get better at leading because I hit road blocks at this step sometimes. Maybe if I was more aggressive this would be easier. Then I asked her if I could kiss her and she said no. She said that she hadn’t been with a man in two years. That’s pretty strange obviously but I thought I might be able to push through that. Which ended up being wrong. Perhaps I should have bailed here. That’s obviously a bad sign, but maybe I should have been more aggressive with my leading here also.
After a bit more chatting, Leo got up to get a drink and I went to speak with him for a second. He informed me that his girl had a kid and a boyfriend, and that she seemed super into her bf. The logistics got pretty bad for him here but he seemed heroically ready to wing for me. He is a fucking boss and I was glad that he was nice enough to act this way. It was truly an example of a guy putting their wing first and I was impressed. I was unsure about if I wanted the Latina girl though after I failed to get compliance and she disclosed that she was kind of wasted.
We decided to go look for other girls in a connected bar. We walked in and Leo opened a girl on the dance floor. She was pretty cute and I started speaking with her friend. I was vibing with the friend while Leo was on his girl. I wasn’t’t sure if I liked the girl I was with but I wanted to wing for him. It started to end with the girl Leo was speaking to and the girl I was with and I were noticing. She was disconnecting from him a bit. Eventually, she grabbed the girl I was with and pulled her away. I was sort of ambivalent about this because I wasn’t sure if I was attracted to her anyway.
We pushed past the noisy and energetic dance floor and I opened an asian girl standing at the edge of the bar. She pulled out her phone and starting texting while I was talking to her. It was kind of lame and I didn’t like her look when I was up close. I ejected after 20 seconds or so because she was boring and unattractive. Leo and I walked back into Neon Baby. I saw a girl on the railing by the stairs. I had a sense that this girl on the railing’s boyfriend was the guy hovering next to her. Leo didn’t give a fuck and opened her anyway. I was impressed with how ruthless he is. I think that he was the boyfriend because the conversation ended pretty quick but Leo wasn’t shaken at all visibly.
We saw the girls that we had a 30 minute conversation with. Leo convinced them to go to Viewhouse with us. Maybe we could get in with them helping out? They were super cute. I thought it might be possible because it was around 1:30 at this time and the line might have been smaller. When we got there, Viewhouse was closed and not admitting anyone in. We took the girls to Tavern across the street. I was flirting with the cute Latina a bit on the way there but I felt that the logistics were probably fucked so it was just for funs.
We got into Tavern and headed up the stairs. We had to wait a bit for the girls, but they eventually came up. When they went to the bathroom right after Leo and I decided to try to find new girls there. I think I got instant disinterest from some girl on the dance floor, and Leo started talking to someone. I did a reasonable job of not caring bout that rejection, I barely remember it now. His set seemed to be going okay so I chilled on the side for a second. I choded out a bit earlier at this venue admittedly when I walked right by some cute girls on the lower balcony. I missed that opportunity.
I reconvened with Leo a little after and then I opened a set of some asian girls standing under the loud speaker. This set was pretty strange. I opened this girl that I found cute directly and Leo tried to wing me, but they were in a weird little corner and were hard to hear, speak to, and understand. I still talked to the girl I found cute for a little while, but she was not clearly into me and her friends were hovering right there awkwardly next to us. I tried to move the group to a place where we could hear each other but they were not trying to move. It was so annoying standing there that I was psyched to leave, especially with the shitty compliance (not moving).
Leo and I reconvened next to the girls we had a long set with and spoke with them for another little while before they decided to bounce. The club was shutting down as it was 2AM and we had to leave at this point. We decided to try and do some outdoor sets.
He opened a few walking girls but I didn’t really see anyone that I wanted, and those that I saw I wasn’t able to take action with. I was thinking that this is the time to be more assertive since it was late and people were ready for an emotional end to their night or whatever, but I wasn’t feeling super congruent with that and ended up not taking a lot of action. Leo and I decided to go get some pizza a few blocks away after things weren’t really panning out.
We headed to the pizza place and Leo asked some cute girl in line something that I didn’t hear. She seemed to love his beard or something. We started talking to them and Leo managed to convince them to let us join them and cut the line to do so. That was pretty boss of him. I asked them how they all knew each other and two of the people turned out to be married. One of them was the girl Leo opened. The other girl that they were friends with was a really hot Latina and I sort of walked right up to her and started flirting with her. She asked how old I was and I told her I was 27. She said she was too old for me because she was 32 but I ignored that and kept talking. We started vibing and talking about random shit. I was using the new technique that I found out about earlier to just say random thoughts without any hesitation (honest communication), and again attraction came fast. She started digging me and we actually ended up doing a bit of salsa dancing in the pizza line. I thought that was pretty funny and she seemed more into me after that as I was able to tolerate the social pressure of people in line laughing at us and chanting at us to dance for the pizza.
I think this was going really well but there was this guy hovering into the set the whole time and sort of getting her attention sometimes. I think it may have been her boyfriend but I was not sure. I failed to properly get her logistics and discern what I should be doing and make a plan here. This ended up costing me the opportunity to take this girl home because we split after the pizza line ended and she sat with her friends while I met up and talked with Leo again. In addition, I have been feeling bad about how I winged this set poorly. Maybe Leo wanted this girl and he opened the set. I failed to ask him who he wanted and what he was trying to do with that set. That was me being a shitty wing and I need to have the ability to look at the bigger picture and be better than that in the future. I’ll make sure to check in with my wing and see what they want to do with the set in the future.
Leo opened the final girl of the night. She was a cute blonde girl next to us. He was chatting with her and things ended up going pretty well. He asked if we could sit with her and she was into it. I sat next to her redheaded friend in a sweater. One of the first things I asked her was if she got that sweater from Bill Cosby. She said thanks, because now she knows that she should never wear that sweater again. I think starting with a funny douchey comment is pretty good actually as she seemed super interested. We had a bit of witty back and forth banter. This was kind of fun but I was unsure if I was into her and I was paranoid that she was fat under the sweater. I really didn’t want to take that risk because I have been catfished online so many times and I just don’t want that. This fear was sort of permeating my brain as I was speaking with her and discerning commonalities and logistics (which was a good instinct).
The logistics weren’t that bad, she had a wedding in Denver tomorrow. Unfortunately, my logistics were terrible as I had to get up in three hours to leave for a climbing trip. I didn’t have the desire to stick around any longer despite her being into me. I didn’t want to risk banging an ugly girl that I had nothing in common with. I told Leo that I wanted to bounce and asked him if he wanted to stay. He said he would roll with me and kindly gave me a ride home. In the car, he said we could have pulled those girls. Part of me regretted that we didn’t. Another part of me really didn’t want to take a risk with that redhead. In addition, I felt like I was a shitty wing again and that I could have tried to get Leo laid at least. But he chose to leave with me when he could have stayed. His girl was actually pretty cute honestly. One misconception that I had was that a guy sitting next to Leo was that girls boyfriend that he opened. This thought made it easier for me to want to bail. This was wrong. I need to remember to make decisions based on facts rather than assumptions and get logistics properly to wing properly.
Thoughts / SP:
- I didn't drink at all and it was kind of awesome. I think that helped my emotional well being stay positive and fluid instead of crashing upon sobriety
- Make decisions based on facts, not assumptions as much as possible
- Have a bigger picture view as a wing to help your bro out as much as possible. The wing comes first.
- Starting with a funny douchey comment is pretty good sometimes
- Ask your wing what they want to do with the set
- Properly get logistics, and fast to not waste time
- Honest communication is fucking amazing and girls get mesmerized
- Take action even when not feeling congruent in the moment
- Relax in the face of it not working out, it’s just a time saver that gives you more time to find the girls that would work with you
- Become more assertive when leading to stop losing opportunities
- I’m getting better at leaving when it’s pointless to stay. Life is too short to waste.
- Establish relationships with bouncers as much as possible
- Bringing the fun vs being an icy mofo with hot girls is an interesting paradox to explore more